2/5/08

Times: Pope Persists in Playing Politics With Prayer

First the pope re-instituted the Tridentine Mass, in effect saying to us Jews, "We will insult you, just like in the olden times."

Now the Holy Father has revised the insulting liturgy, in effect saying to us Jews, "We still want to convert you. However we will not insult you... as much."

Alas I now must once again just pray that the Lord remove the blindness from the pope's eyes and lift the veil from his heart -- so that he can begin to respect us Jews and accept the authenticity of our religion and our revelation and our redemption through our Torah.
Pope’s Rewrite of Latin Prayer Draws Criticism From 2 Sides
By IAN FISHER

ROME — Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday issued a replacement for a contentious Good Friday prayer in Latin, removing language that many Jewish groups found offensive but still calling for the Jews’ conversion.

However, representatives of Jewish groups as well as traditionalist Catholics quickly condemned the new prayer, though for different reasons. Jewish groups said it was still offensive, and traditionalists said they preferred the version that was replaced.

“It’s disappointing,” said Rabbi David Rosen, director of inter-religious affairs for the American Jewish Committee, who for 20 years has worked on Jewish-Catholic relations with Benedict as pope and, earlier, when he was a cardinal.

The prayer was a focus of dispute last year when Benedict allowed for greater use of a traditional version of the Latin Mass, called the Tridentine rite. That decree improved ties with Catholic traditionalists, who oppose the sweeping changes to church liturgy made from 1962 through 1965 during the Second Vatican Council.

The prayer is not part of the standard service used by most of the world’s 1.1 billion Catholics, who celebrate Mass in their local languages.

The new prayer, published only in Latin on Tuesday in the Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, deletes a reference to Jews’ “blindness” and a call that God “may lift the veil from their hearts.”

An unofficial translation of the new prayer reads: “Let us pray for the Jews. May the Lord Our God enlighten their hearts so that they may acknowledge Jesus Christ, the savior of all men.

“Almighty and everlasting God,” it continues, “you who want all men to be saved and to reach the awareness of the truth, graciously grant that, with the fullness of peoples entering into your church, all Israel may be saved.”

Rabbi Rosen, while saying he was pleased that language he found offensive was removed, objected to the new prayer because it specified that Jews should find redemption specifically in Christ. He noted that the standard Mass, issued after the liberalizations of the Second Vatican Council, also contained a prayer for the Jews’ “redemption” but did not specifically invoke Christ, stressing rather God’s original covenant with Jews.

“Pope Benedict XVI really does care about positive Catholic-Jewish relations — that I know for a fact,” Rabbi Rosen said.

“It is therefore particularly disappointing,” he said, “that this text doesn’t seem to show any sensitivity as to how this new text will be read within Jewish circles.”

On the other side of the debate, Kenneth J. Wolfe, a columnist for the traditionalist Catholic newspaper The Remnant, said traditionalists would have preferred no change at all.

Mr. Wolfe said that the change “rattles the cage of traditionalists” and that it would probably make more difficult any rapprochement with traditionalist groups like the Society of St. Pius X, which rejects the Second Vatican Council and has appointed its own bishops.

The full prayer also contains calls for the conversion of other groups, including Protestants, the Orthodox and pagans.

In discussing changes to the prayer, Vatican officials have said in the past that it is the church’s right, believing in the truth of Catholicism, to pray for the salvation of all those who do not believe.

The Vatican said the new version of the prayer should be used by the traditionalist minority starting this Good Friday, March 21.

8 comments:

Neighbor said...

As a Talmid of the Rav's, you should not worry about what THEY say and certainly should not engage THEM in any way about what they do.

Somehow, I opened your blog today sure you would deal with this issue, despite your experience with the Rav.

Tzvee said...

Believe me when I say that blogging is not a means of conducting interfaith dialogue on core issues of theology.

Karen said...

Islam wants to convert the Christians and the Jews.

The Catholics only officially pray to convert the Jews? We've been chosen again!

My favorite prayer is still comprised of the verses at the end of the Aleinu.

Karen Tintori, author
The Book of Names, with Jill Gregory
A mystical Jewish thriller
www.karentintori.com

Anonymous said...

SO lets get this straight Othodox Jews continue to pray for the desturction of followers of Nazarene daily, deny the blantant Anti-Christian tracts in the Talmud, yet they complain yet again on prayer that is recited once a year.

So what your saying Tzvee our Liturgy needs your approval, it is obvious you have not once been to Tridentine rite Mass, so dont dare call it insulting. Tell me do you deny the anti-Christain tracts in the Talmud

Tzvee said...

Hey bully. It's restrained of me to call the Tridentine prayer "insulting". It is in fact incitement to antiSemitism, to violence and hatred against my people, it is a major factor in forming the culture in Europe that led directly to the Holocaust. So accept the blood of my people on your hands. And at least now at long last - can you not repent? No you cannot. You continue to defend your disgraceful liturgy. SO I see the Lord has not yet removed the blindness from your eyes and the viel from your heart. AND I pray for you that you repent of your unceasing evil.

Anonymous said...

Hmm you are typical little complaining Jew., I've had to deal with Yid like you most of my life. So ok blame me for the Holocaust, two can play at this game. You claim the Tridentine Mass lead directly to the Holocaust, then I can claim the writings of Karl Marx, a jew, lead to the compele destructions of over 100 millions souls, in Russia, the Ukraine, South East Asia, China. Also your fellow travlers the ADL, could not even bring itself to admit that what happened to the Armenians was genocide. You Jews think you have the market cornered on suffering, and yet deny your hands are as bloody as anyone else.. the eternal victims.. You control Bank, Media, Foreign Policy and still you cry victim.. no Jew I renounce you, ...do ever wonder why you are hated so much????

Tzvee said...

I assume that you are religious in your attendance at the Easter Mass and that it has had an effect on you making you into a raving lunatic antiSemite.

Anonymous said...

Well its a well known fact that an anti-semite is someone the Jews dont like.. funny you throw that little term around when you cannot answer accusations,

Tell me was Karl Marx not a jew??? do you jews not have a huge amount of power in Hollywood (spielberg, katzenberg, geffen??) banking ie Goldman Sachs, Rothchild.. Foreign Policy $7 Billion in aid to Israel or did I just make all these names up out of thin air...Just goes to prove Jews will always use the term anti-semite in attempt to shut up an opponent,,, not working this time little man